Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[moody7277]

Doing these in alphabetical order due to sorting, except for EGW and Seven because I need to gird my chi to go through their posts, and hopefully I'll be able to POE them by the time I'm done with everyone else.

[madge]

also if people want to judge me as scum for my actions at EOD yesterday: get bent, i added 10 years to my life in stress during that whole debacle and i will vote for whoever mak tells me to vote for because i know i suck at this game lol

[Seven]

Heury's been pure cotton candy.

gird my chi

I will never get enough of moody quips.

[moody7277]

also if people want to judge me as scum for my actions at EOD yesterday: get bent, i added 10 years to my life in stress during that whole debacle and i will vote for whoever mak tells me to vote for because i know i suck at this game lol

A. Don't take anything Cynical View says about you personally, he has Adum as lean scum.
B. The stomach churning rollercoaster that is the last hour of EOD with majority elim is a spicy treat we're all having to get used to, so I have total sympathy for any deterioration on your part
C. I will be judging on the totality of your posts, not just any adrenaline addled actions EOD. Really, as another self-assigned homework task, I want to do my own tick-tock of the voting the last 3 hours or so to see who really does deserve blame if any.

[heuristically_alone]

Oh not Makhaira! That was so unexpectedly unexpected and not foreseen at all!

Hi handsome! Can you elaborate on this thought?!

Hey gorgeous! Woke up asking myself what would super too obv Mafia say? And look at everyone who immediately jumped on it. *Cough cough freddino and seven cough cough*.
Also moody leaning on town. He's not reading me through the lense of scum hunting rather than finding an easy *scum ping*.

Speaking of which, I have been thinking a lot about this game during the night phase and I think I have a solve that actually makes sense and I feel like explains a lot of why this game has been feeling so off to me. I'll probably take a day or two to assemble my notes and see what else shakes out from the Night, but I will be looking for your feedback when I get there.

Lol

VOTE: Thealissa

Please elaborate on this too. I don’t follow how this quote from Theallieza alone is scummy enough to warrant a vote, so you must have additional reasons.

Theallieza needs to give us this "plan" today before getting more "results" for me to believe this claim.

[heuristically_alone]

What I admire about wam is how much of a sponge he seems to be. Never feels quite like he's keeping up with the game, then bam latches on to what feels off, has follow up questions, and maybe slow to pull the trigger but a solid scum hunter. Wam is following town meta I expect from him this game and has valid reasons behind his scum reads.

[heuristically_alone]

Does the height of the vertical arrows indicate something or is that just for readability?

This is peak town Somi comment

[heuristically_alone]

so like, i have to know - is the title a reference to a song or something?

Apparently it's a line from the song Human by the Killers. No idea what the significance is.

This song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.

Going back to comment on this. I interpreted madge's question as we know the song exists, but is the game going to be themed after the song or have its own theme.

Read on seven:
One of the most self aware players and every game feels like seven goes out of their way to act scummy, towny go against any known meta. It feels like seven's goal in games it not to be read rather than solve the game. All 3 of seven's biggest scum reads (moody, Madge and glue) I have as town reads and yet I could see town seven intentionally pointing as his town reads as scum reads. Dead null on seven for now.

[EGW]

Here's my deed dive read of Heury. Reading through this, my scumdar is not pinged at all. Through out all his posts, I find his tone townie, not like when I last seen him as scum, where he was opportunistic. However, there is one post that always seems odd to me, it sticks out like a sore thumb: Post. Seems odd he'd choose JC at such a crunch time, and barely even posted again. So I'll leave him at null-town.

Heury Lazy Context

i am too much of a manic pixie dream girl for 'em

This is an incredibly accurate description of Madge

Bessie claiming right out the gate? What a miracle

I might be missing something but I don't see the claim

Claiming no soul. Now the question.... Do dancer have soul?

I don't think I've ever been so absent minded that a game exists such as this one.

I don't think lurking is particularly alignment indicative for Heury. I've seen him vanish strategically (with stellar results mind you), but I also recall him just dipping for a bit and this doesn't strike me as the former.

I only wish it was ever strategic

I'm surprised you say that.

I'm more interested in content equity than post size.

Yes you do

As before I associate lurking huery with scum huery.

100% agree. Though this game I haven't even been lurking.

Readsssssssss

Human
EGW
Somi
Heury
Madge
Freddino

Human or Dancer
Makhaira
Wam
Gluelock
Seven
moody
JC

Dancer (yes I'm making it about me me me)
Bessie- buddying me quite a bit this game, moreso than I recall before.
Thea- fundamentally disagree with read on me

When is deadline?

*ebwop

Gluelock is too willing to be voted for inactivity, so slight town lean

Human
EGW
Somi
Heury
Madge
Freddino

Why do you have yourself only 3rd on human side?

Bessie- buddying me quite a bit this game, moreso than I recall before.

When was bessie buddying you?

Thea- fundamentally disagree with read on me

How so?

It is factually incorrect.

I am reading others as more human than myself.

There's text from Bessie that feels from her just for me. I tend to town read Bessie immediately, so feels like expecting/wanting me to town read her this game. Though now that I think about it, town Bessie would want that too.

Thea at least twice has emphasized how we should expect their tone to be different as this account that other account, thus insistent that we don't scum them based off of being different that perceived town meta.

*ebwop

Gluelock is too willing to be voted for inactivity, so slight town lean

Human
EGW
Somi
Heury
Madge
Freddino

Why do you have yourself only 3rd on human side?

Bessie- buddying me quite a bit this game, moreso than I recall before.

When was bessie buddying you?

Thea- fundamentally disagree with read on me

How so?

It is factually incorrect.

I am reading others as more human than myself.

There's text from Bessie that feels from her just for me. I tend to town read Bessie immediately, so feels like expecting/wanting me to town read her this game. Though now that I think about it, town Bessie would want that too.

Thea at least twice has emphasized how we should expect their tone to be different as this account that other account, thus insistent that we don't scum them based off of being different that perceived town meta.

Today willing to vote mak, moody or JC in no particular order. maybe wam if you pull my finger but town wam is so useful late game.

I'm actually leaning on JC for my vote
VOTE:JC

Madge care to join?

[Seven]

Anyone else ready to end the day?

[EGW]

No, you seem to lack a direction so I don't see the reason to. I also want to see other's content today. (Like Somi, JC, etc) You feel like you need to re-read. Also I asked you for a Somi read.

[Seven]

No, you seem to lack a direction so I don't see the reason to. I also want to see other's content today. (Like Somi, JC, etc) You feel like you need to re-read. Also I asked you for a Somi read.

I lacked it. I have it now. I'd be very surprised if you or heury flipped town at this point. I am ready to end whenever anyone else is.

[EGW]

I lacked it. I have it now. I'd be very surprised if you or heury flipped town at this point. I am ready to end whenever anyone else is.

Then you are definitely going to need to re-read. Yet I am in the same position as you. You probably just don't realize that.

[EGW]

Moody has quite the high volume content here. Nothing pings me at the moment, and I like that he was quite present in EOD. A slight town read.

Moody Lazy Context

EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

I do recall discussion about the polarization of his play, mostly thinking that it sounded really bad to have town play so distinguishable from scum play.

bessie's response to theallizea's confirm post is funny considering the mostly non-serious stance that exclamation point=scum in those.

Please clarify. Do you mean funny peculiar, or funny haha?
I was completely serious. See above.

Chuckle-worthy, as in "X is totally scum because they used an exclamation point. " Even though I've seen it used several times, I remain dubious about the confirmation post analysis (most likely because I am not able to use the trick myself), but I'm not going to denigrate anyone who tries the method. I will note that this does make a tie between you and Thea.

what specifically do you recall was claimed in that discussion that made EGW's townplay so distinguishable?

Found this right away from Baldur's Gate from Seven's own keyboard about their opinion on EGW's polarization:

btw @Somi, the thing about Major League Baseball players is that they are MLachable precisely because of the lack of polarization between their scum and town play. Players like Ran are highly polarized: the discrepancy between his town and scum play is super obvious. In contrast, with Heury for example, his posts are blanketed in obscurity.

Bold mine. Exactly what the qualities are that distinguish town!EGW from scum!EGW in Seven's eyes is something you would need to discuss with them.

Got another chuckle from Fred's latest. RVS is RVS, and I'm getting a good town read on him now.

RVS is RVS

What's RVS?

Random Vote Stage. Some people like it, some don't do it.

bessie-- first post where some people are seeing a claim is not a claim, it's just her describing her playstyle. second post with her doing absolutely serious confirmation post stuff, only somi and Madge pass with everyone else no better than neutral.

1. You misread my opening post. I interpreted the explanation point as town lean, not scum lean.

Just to put this to bed, I did see that you read Thea as town based off the confirm, it's just that goes against the exclamation point=scum meme that I remember. Interactions with other players show nothing out of the ordinary. Rating: +1

EGW-- RV Fred, couple of pokes at Seven, using Thea's other name, votes Madge, thwart's Bessie's confirmation analysis, has different theory about Seven than Thea, read on Madge weakens so he unvotes, suspicious of Glue's timing on his first post, also sus of wam (Cynical View is curious about him picking the heretofore lurkers.) Asking for uncertain players to proxy with him, motivated by majority to elim rule (which is a source of so much stomach acid). Rating +1

Fred-- RV EGW with comedy, revokes it after getting response by Mak, worried about people not being "on theme", some rule spec, doesn't like EGW proxying people, votes EGW for real. I liked the looseness at first, but at this point he's staying a little fluffy. Rating: +1

Glue-- first post just after asking for him to be prodded (which I do agree with EGW is odd), immediately votes Madge. Rating: -1

heury-- likes somi, EGW, and Madge reactions to posts, couple of other fluffy bits. Rating: -0.5

JC-- afk message, insufficient data

Madge-- positively giddy, votes EGW, thin reads list, unvotes EGW after saying it is semi-RV, setup spec, ratings based on activity, seems to want to elim lurkers. Rating: +0.5

Mak-- RV wam, pointed questions to several players, grumpy about lurkers, asks about Fred's vote change, how Seven thinks I'm polarized (which TBH surprised me as well), Seven showing no follow through on their solve, puts up votables list, votes me. Lots of scumhunting here, rating +2.5

Seven-- no link with Thea and Madge, confident that EGW is scum, votes him, thinks I'm scum too, and that me liking Fred makes him the third, votes wam (not in Seven's solve) for his reads post, no extension, weakens read on Fred after asked by wam. Rating: -0.5

somi-- RV Seven, likes the opening moves, comments on a few players posts, questions heury's post ratings, unvotes Seven, against lurker elim, debate with Mak over how closely somi was reading the thread. Rating: +1.5

Thea-- asks Bessie about her read on Madge and somi, EGW slightly town, corrects somi on interpreting reads and gives slight scum read, reaction to EGW's read on Madge

Here's the post I've been working the most re Thea and Seven. Inasmuch as I think of Thea as town, this post would force me to think of Seven as town as well, but based on my read above I don't have that certainty, which either means I'm getting snowed (meh) or a small chance they're scummates together (yikes).

reading Fred, Madge and Mak as town, votes me, dislikes EGW going after low content slots, wants extension. Rating: +1

wam-- controversial reads list with some duplication, votes Seven, explains EGW read as evolving from town to scum, switches vote to Glue, questions Seven about voting him despite having a 3-person scum team in mind, doesn't like Madge's mod question. Rating: +0.5

Which means, quoting SDK, my vote on Glue is now real.

Moody doesn't fail to give bessie a +4 or above unless he is scum.

Or it's because she castigated me for handicapping her like that last game.

Ok but do you get why I’m town reading Theallieza for it? This response pings me.

I've already said that I can't follow your methods re confirm posts, but a wild guess would be Thea is intentionally invoking the meme in order to subvert it. Is that your thinking?

Regardless, George isn't a play for today.

I would like to remind everyone that I do not know everyone's names and I would prefer that people be clear who they are referring to.

George=EvilGeorgeWashington=EGW, whom Seven also calls Ran due to that being his alias on the other server.

Extension is nice in the sense I won't be groggy next day at work after staying up until 11pm, and hopefully we can get some more from JC as well as Gluelock.

Non-votables: Bessie, EGW, Fred, Mak, somi

Votables: Glue, heury, JC(depending on further content)

People not listed I would possibly switch to for the purpose of majority elim.

What changed about your reads of me and Seven?

Why is somi Town?

I'm not certain if it's a change or you and Seven just have big enough error bars on your reads that I'm not comfortable calling you definitely votable or not votable. Plus the contradictory points I'm getting from your analysis of Seven vs EGW earlier against the read of Seven I did is needling my brain.

My town read of somi was based on the variety of his player interactions, which I saw Mak also had but in a higher degree thus the higher rating on Mak. Post-by-post is something I think I'll start doing D2.

Can you talk about the reason these three made the votables?

I agreed with EGW's point that Glue's emergent post had a highly suspect timing, his content since may do something to temper that, but I'm not recalling much to do that. Heury's been pure cotton candy. JC is probably the least votable of the votables, when he actually puts up some more posts I'll have an actual read.

Nope. I said D2 because I would need D2 info.

The only problem with waiting for D2 info is that you'll likely be disappointed by how much D2 info people actually give.

EBWOP:
I think JC has actually posted more than Heury, but maybe I'm nitpicking. Still, seems like a slightly odd distinction

(I should not be trying to post from work)

Just did a quick count, and it's JC 11, heury 5. What I noticed most about heury's posts were the fluffiness, although it looks like his last one included reads.

JC
post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town

Biggest thing I notice is the huge preoccupation with Fred, which in players not named bessie I find odd. Reads in the last post are a little ad hoc. Rating -0.5

Right now the only other slot I'd be as happy to elim as Glue who currently has votes is JC.

JC
post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town

Biggest thing I notice is the huge preoccupation with Fred, which in players not named bessie I find odd. Reads in the last post are a little ad hoc. Rating -0.5

Why did you start with JC here? This seems like an odd choice.

Didn't already have a read on him (my big reads post had him as insufficient data), he's since put up enough to where I figured I could make some judgement, and he's laconic so that post only took me ~20 minutes to compose.

Right now the people I'd be willing to change to vote are heury or JC.

Hard no on Fred.

I'm not asking for your approval. I'm voting for my strongest scum read.

And ATM that means no-elim.

unvote

Vote: heury

You waiting to hammer, George?

I think it's L-1?

It was.

Someone go first so I know for sure we're hammering.

Vote: Glue

Madge, so help me, if you are actually town...

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE GETS VOTED OUT TODAY ughghgghghghghghgh

Heavenly shades of night are falling
It's twilight time
Out of the mist, your voice is calling
'Tis twilight time

I forgot about the "you can't post because you just posted" thing too

I got buzzed by that too.

[EGW]

I found a new method, but it exclusively gives scum reads, so anyone not on the list will be town

How's that going?

[Seven]

I lacked it. I have it now. I'd be very surprised if you or heury flipped town at this point. I am ready to end whenever anyone else is.

Then you are definitely going to need to re-read. Yet I am in the same position as you. You probably just don't realize that.

Heury is openwolfing and you don't get any scum pings from him? Mmhm.

You got me D1 though, I am very impressed. I didn't think that Madge/Alli case was something scum!EGW would be able to pull off.

[EGW]

Heury is openwolfing and you don't get any scum pings from him? Mmhm.

You got me D1 though, I am very impressed. I didn't think that Madge/Alli case was something scum!EGW would be able to pull off.

You weren't there when I pushed a Town Heury off a cliff? You seem to be scumreading me for not agreeing with your read. Yet you are also unwilling to look at Somi. I also am saying I don't think Moody is scum. This doubt however strengthens my town read on you. Town Zen + Town Ran have not played in a game together for a while now.

[Seven]

Heury is openwolfing and you don't get any scum pings from him? Mmhm.

You got me D1 though, I am very impressed. I didn't think that Madge/Alli case was something scum!EGW would be able to pull off.

You weren't there when I pushed a Town Heury off a cliff? You seem to be scumreading me for not agreeing with your read. Yet you are also unwilling to look at Somi. I also am saying I don't think Moody is scum. This doubt however strengthens my town read on you. Town Zen + Town Ran have not played in a game together for a while now.

Every post Heury has made today is wolfy. If it wasn't non-bastard, I'd suspect he was a Jester. It's not believable to me that none of it is pinging you.

Your WIM is also notably gone. Why is that?

[EGW]

Every post Heury has made today is wolfy. If it wasn't non-bastard, I'd suspect he was a Jester. It's not believable to me that none of it is pinging you.

Your WIM is also notably gone. Why is that?

I disagree.

I'm waiting on others to post so I can get a better idea for reads. At the moment I just have gut reads. Taking my time, and I don't suddenly have a better direction I feel 100% confident in right now. I've been mobile posting before our conversation right now. Also I've been playing quite a bit of FF14 lately.

[EGW]

You got me D1 though, I am very impressed. I didn't think that Madge/Alli case was something scum!EGW would be able to pull off.

You seem to have quite the paranoia if you decided that scum me can't do something and then for some reason decided I could. Get your head straight and realize I'm town here.

[Freddino18]

And look at everyone who immediately jumped on it. *Cough cough freddino and seven cough cough*.

I voted you from my scum reads. calm down.

[Freddino18]

Good morning Fred! How are you doing with that reads list?

Progress is negative.

Vote: Fred

I'm sorry that while I was doing my detailed reads, I got through 6 pages, then y'all made 8 more pages of content? 6 - 8 = -2

[Freddino18]

tone indicator: heavy sarcasm, bit of condescension

[Freddino18]

going to sleep. Made through page 14

[JC_DADDY25]

I would suggest I be Mak's proxy, because right now I'm wanting to vote Seven for his desire to end the day phase, and for his comments about voting to extend the day phase being unfair. In PYP he was the first to vote for an extension and he was town.