Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[Gluelock]

Vote: No Extension

Extensions are unfair—particularly publicly voted extensions—and in this case, unnecessary.

This post pings me. From the opening post:

2. Up to 3 deadline extensions may be granted for up to 48 hours, first will require a simple majority of players, 2nd 2/3rds, then unanimous. Requests for deadline extensions must be done in thread as follows "vote: deadline extensions"

Requests for extensions are fair according to the game rules, and are to be made publicly by voting in-thread.

I am aware extensions are in the rules. Being in the rules is not equivalent to being fair. It is something I've thought a lot about in my games. Mafia often play in a way specific to the deadline being what it is. Extending the phase undercuts their strategy and advantages town. I was extremely grateful to LaserGuy not allowing slacking town to extend the final day deadline for this reason. Making it publically votable forces mafia to vote for the extension in order to not be outted. For that reason, I will always be voting against an extension, so that mafia have an opportunity to avoid it. That being said, there are situations where extensions are warranted due to irl complications or replacements, so some leeway is necessary. I generally go about this through private requests, private votes, mod discretion, or role quirks.

This reads as convulsed mental gymnastics to avoid voting for an extension. Basically what I got was: extensions advantage town thus mafia must “always” vote yes on it or they out themselves therefore I’ll vote no since im not mafia. Huh? If you’re town you’re voting no directly against your own interests. The logic is contradictory and paradoxical and I don’t like it.(granted I’m at work and can’t dedicate all my mental ram into this circular reasoning rn)

[bessie]

Daily catchup, starting from my previous post on page 9.

You know when I check posts before I post them, when I'm scum. You know when I don't check posts as town....

You can think the reads list is faked all you want it wasn't.

But tbh I have learnt if I have this much suspicious day 1 I'm just a mis elim later so not.going to fight it. Think egw is actually misguided town based on the push on me.

Hey, is that an I-do-this-as-town-and-this-as-scum post?! With a bonus “miselim” comment?! -1

1. You think me incapable of subtlety?
2. That is not something I could quantify.

1. Not at all I think you’re a master at it. I just don’t think that was your goal here.
2. Dislike.

Tangentially related but I have been wondering why deadlines tend to be the middle of the week when people's schedule is usually less flexible.

On xkcd the reason was because a good number of people (freezeblade, SDK, et.al.) had a policy where they didn’t like to play on the weekends, they played at work. Which I don’t get at all because I don’t like playing at work I can’t think about work and mafia at the same time. I also don’t use my work computer for personal business and I don’t like to phone post.

But enough about me! If I keep talking about myself people will think I’m Madge Madge Madge!

Ok but do you get why I’m town reading Theallieza for it? This response pings me.

I've already said that I can't follow your methods re confirm posts, but a wild guess would be Thea is intentionally invoking the meme in order to subvert it. Is that your thinking?

Not quite I think Thealliza was thumbing her nose at me but close enough.

I disagree it depends on the player. I know I post more as scum than town and I have seen others do it as well. I.e. "power wolfing ".

Hey, another I-do-this-as-town-and-this-as-scum post! It’s not even my birthday!

I would like to ask everyone: If we extend, do you think we will actually get enough votes for an elimination? From my perspective, that seems highly unlikely due to the current spread on votes. We are one vote away from an extension, and I will vote to extend if y'all think we could use it to accomplish anything.

I find your thought process regarding this odd. Your primary focus should be on scum hunting and placing a vote where you believe it belongs. After that, you should be conversing with others to determine if your vote can be moved to ensure an elimination that you would support. This is what you are working toward. This is your main goal. Your lesser concerns would include “should we request more time to ensure this happens?” and “I will do what I must to ensure the best opportunity for town.”

Your post makes me think your focus right now is “I don’t think an elim is happening today so should we just end it now” and your outlook is one of resignation (theoretically generous) or hopeful (suspiciously possible) and this pings me.

Noting that Glue hasn't posted in two days, and nearly five pages.

@Mod can we ping him?

Might be willing to switch over to him in case a hammer is needed.

How about noting that many players have posted, and that you should have some opinions on them? Please provide a town-scum list.


Random thought at the top of page 12, I am suspicious of anyone voting for JC or Gluelock. If we need a compromise elimination, fine, we’ll get there, but that is something that should be discussed toward end of day. I am suspicious of anyone pushing a lurker early, and hiding behind it to avoid discussion of other players.

Town Lean: no one yet

Hi Gluelock glad to see you have joined the discussion!
+1 for this comment. But -1 because I don’t stand out at all to you. Sad woof.

Fred I'm waiting for your list.

Those typically take 12 hours for me, expect something early Day 2. I go through and summarize every post in a doc, then take notes, then consolidate into reads.

Then please provide a gut town-scum list based on your memory of the game with no rereading, it will take you at the most five minutes.

Is there no way you can do a scumpick list.

no

Moving Fred to the Grr pile.

"Your defense of X has been noted" is bessie-speak for roughly, "This feels like a partner interaction and I will keep it in mind if one of you flip scum".

Hahaha I knew you were emulating me me me!

Sorry, forgot to check the game. I'm here though last thing I read was on page 5.

Hi JC, I am anxiously awaiting your thoughts!


Back later to comment on all the great content I know is coming from Heury tonight!

[Gluelock]

@EGW — How did you arrive at this so confidently? By this point I’d made one RVS vote lol

You were viewing the thread, and simply voted Madge. That's not RVS since you quoted her big post. So put simply, felt like you were caught slanking. Wam's reads look fake. Why did it take you so long to re-engage?

I mean it really was, Madge made a comment about not remembering or noticing me so it was a tongue in cheek thing

[JC_DADDY25]

Noting that Glue hasn't posted in two days, and nearly five pages.

@Mod can we ping him?

Might be willing to switch over to him in case a hammer is needed.

Why just Glue?

This pinged me as I read through. Seemed like he was trying to separate with the comment about willing to switch over if a hammer is needed.

[JC_DADDY25]

It's taking me a bit to catch up, watching a TV show with my wife at the same time and it's a kdrama, so I have to read the screen to keep up with what's being said there as well.

Getting there though.

[JC_DADDY25]

EBWOP...

That was directed at @bessie

[JC_DADDY25]

christ

Is this directed at me?

[madge]

okay friends i came in being really guilty i missed the deadline and then phew extension yay yay yay MORE D1 (i voted for the extension don't @ me)

good news: i should be able to be on for the new deadline, yay

Madges personal life aside, entirely skippable

so this morning i decided to take the bus to work because i was running late and i saw my next door neighbour standing in front of her car with her kid holding jumper cables looking helpless

she had her husband on video call and I got the impression he was trying to micromanage a bit, but I followed the instructions in the car manual lol

she was like, I have no idea what to do and I'm like you're talking to someone who somehow has jump started more than her fair share of cars

basically i'm a hero and i saved her day, but it meant i was late enough to work that i definitely didn't have time to wile away on this game, but here we are, it's lunchtime!

on power wolfing: i agree it exists, i'm not saying scum only ever lurks, just that if scum power wolves (e.g. Seven in literally any game), they are posting enough to have takes and opinions and those can be examined for consistency/links with identified scum. someone with a less decisive style (e.g. me in literally any game) can be hard to pin down in terms of what their actual motivations are.

on D1 we have no reason not to vote out the people who are going to cause trouble later in terms of the above. D2 we'll have some info to go on, but right now we have nothing and all else being equal i'd rather not lose out on someone who has the combo of time/inclination for the game at the moment.

here's some thoughts on players:

- fred feels very townie to me, vibes, but i think is my towniest pick

- JC, heury most votable

- Glue's recent content has felt much townier to me so i'll unvote

- somi and mak are in the same bubble, just kind of middle of the road hard to read and feel less distinctive than other players

- not voting for Seven today because that beautiful sweet content

- i always read bessie as town so idk what to do about that, i suspect she is a robo-dog

and given timezones mean i can be here at deadline i will be able to move my vote to help ensure we have *some* elim, because i think an elim is almost always better than no-elim d1 (my only exception would be myself and also anyone who i have a 90%+ confidence in the towniness of, which i will go out on a limb and claim that i don't believe anyone is town with 90%+ confidence rn)

no comment on the stuff about my posts and what i'm claiming or not claiming because i am going to confuse myself

unvote

vote JC_DADDY

[EGW]

Is this directed at me?

It was, but pay him no mind. Focus on catching up, there was an extension so use it wisely.

[Wam]

I'm going to start by commenting that having hammered me for making mistakes in my reads lists people are suddenly surprised that people don't want to do rapid ones. Oh my what a surprise /s

unvote

Vote huery

As before I associate lurking huery with scum huery.

Now I need to think of another I do this as town and this as scum just to make beasie happy.

[Wam]

I know.timezones and all.that but extensions are pointless if no-one talks....

[Freddino18]

Noting that Glue hasn't posted in two days, and nearly five pages.

@Mod can we ping him?

Might be willing to switch over to him in case a hammer is needed.

Why just Glue?

This pinged me as I read through. Seemed like he was trying to separate with the comment about willing to switch over if a hammer is needed.

Only one that stood out in my mind, plus the most votes out of the three. Honestly I forgot you were here.

[Freddino18]

I'm going to start by commenting that having hammered me for making mistakes in my reads lists people are suddenly surprised that people don't want to do rapid ones. Oh my what a surprise /s

Someone gets it

As an aside, starting my list today, should have it done by bedtime.

[EGW]

You are correct Wam. Y'all know my updated reads. However it's time for those that haven't talked enough yet, to contribute content. Like JC, and Fred but he says he will deliver tonight.

[Freddino18]

It can be inferred from your response that you and Madge are unpaired. This requires several steps of reasoning that I do not wish to expend cognitive resources on conveying.

EGW is a dancer. It is unfair that I am able to read his alignment off of a single post (if you do not believe this, see AI mafia), so I will be stepping away for the remainder of the day in order to allow EGW to play the game and his team to gain a foothold.

Gonna ask for an explanation on these two.

[Freddino18]

Apparently Moody is polarized as well. It is not something I’ve ever noticed before.

He is the second dancer.

More things that seem weird from my initial reread.

This song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.

Seems to know for sure the game is referencing the song. -1

It's explicitly in one of the explanation posts.

Fishing, -1

[Freddino18]

Apparently Moody is polarized as well. It is not something I’ve ever noticed before.

He is the second dancer.

More things that seem weird from my initial reread.

This song is very famous. I presumed Madge’s comment to be a joke.

Seems to know for sure the game is referencing the song. -1

It's explicitly in one of the explanation posts.

Fishing, -1

[EGW]

Fred, can you do all that in one post, collapsed? Otherwise if you intend to catch up to a lot of quotes it makes reading the game harder for others.

[Freddino18]

This (very long) post from madge is giving me big town, there's no particular sentence or paragraph that I'd like to highlight.

[Freddino18]

Fred, can you do all that in one post, collapsed? Otherwise if you intend to catch up to a lot of quotes it makes reading the game harder for others.

As I have been told in previous games, style is style.

[EGW]

I just think you should play in a way that makes it easier for town to win and not flood things to the point of exhaustion. I have been at fault for such things in the past and style isn't a good reason to keep doing it.

[Seven]

I disagree. It’s a preference.

[EGW]

I'm surprised you say that.

[Freddino18]

ok, reads list: Somi, Mak, Thea, and madge good; Seven and bessie bad (I really don't know why on bessie, you asked for gut and this is what is happening). EGW(-) and glue(=) are fine; need more content from Heury(-), Wam(=), moody(-), and JC(+) (Wam and JC promised more, this is good).

The math symbols indicate lean on the people I am undecided on.

Unvote, vote Seven

[Seven]

ok, reads list: Somi, Mak, Thea, and madge good; Seven and bessie bad (I really don't know why on bessie, you asked for gut and this is what is happening). EGW(-) and glue(=) are fine; need more content from Heury(-), Wam(=), moody(-), and JC(+) (Wam and JC promised more, this is good).

The math symbols indicate lean on the people I am undecided on.

Unvote, vote Seven

Not good, but I presume your reads will improve after your 12-hour think session.