Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[Wam]

Vote: Gluelock

His entrance feels like he was already caught up and only posted when called out (reactive) rather than posting actively. Madge, vote with me.

I said I was happy with either so will join you

unvote

Vote gluelock

[EGW]

Or your first content felt.townie and later pinged me and I forgot to remove the first entry....

You do this with Madge too. You have her as neutral and then you say she's scummy. Can you explain why she was neutral to you and then explain what felt scummy to you? Then do the same with me, tell me what town pinged you from my posts and then show where you got a scum ping and why.

[EGW]

Sorry, had a birthday party for my grandson and work yesterday so I didn't have time to post. On break at work right now so just read real quick to catch up. I'll read more later, but not seeing anything to react to right now. I'll let things play out more to see where they go.

I think you should have enough to read by now, curious what your thoughts are. Also happy birthday to your grandson.

[EGW]

Imma be honest, I don't even know if I'll be awake for deadline. My sleep schedule has been drastically shifting this week after getting fired and trying to transition to a day shift position. I am on US Mountain Time btw.

At the very least proxy your vote to mine if you have no other idea.

haaha now i'll remember you gluelock, thanks for the vote.

deadline is at noon my time but i have a meeting from 11-12 that day at work so i won't be online for deadline unless it finishes early (which it does sometimes)

Please be sure to vote (with me) before deadline for sure. Remember this is majority game.

[Seven]

How would it influence your read if I told you I specifically did something non-conforming just for you, you, you?

So did you?

Also, starting from Adum's start-of-day post, roughly what percentage of the total words have you read from the posts up to this point?

@Ali, I'd be curious to see what your current read graph looks like when you have the opportunity.

Phone posting for a bit so can't get to it for a bit. I've added Fred and Madge to town side. I think Mak too.

Feel like I'm being too generous with my townreads but nothing else yet has excited me.

That's OK. I just wanted to see where you placed moody or if you would vote him. It's quite obvious he is dancer to me, and I believed it should be apparent to a human!ali as well.

@Mak, it is not meta based.

I'm not sure how to take Wam's double placement of EGW and Madge, but I do not believe it is something I will be able to get over.

Vote: Wam

[Freddino18]

It's the immediate vote. NOTHING SINISTER.
Unvote: EGW.

are you referring to your own immediate unvote here?

No, he voted for me in his first non-confirm post.

freddino seems markedly more active than past games like maybe actually invested in this one?

I am currently unemployed, no distractions.

Madge, vote with me.

We gonna ignore this?

Pre-edit: Shit, just lost everything before the EGW quote. My rewrites are not up to the quality I had before. /pre-edit

This last set has put EGW on the radar for me in a MAJOR way. The attempted bussing is blatant and, frankly, insulting. Please don't try to insert your reads into my opinions.

Vote EGW

[EGW]

What opinions? You haven't given any reads. You got any? I just like to have proxy votes.

[Freddino18]

What opinions?

Exactly. Don't try to influence me when I'm making my list.

[EGW]

I think you need to understand. If you haven't given opinions of who to vote, I would rather have your vote on Gluelock if you can't make deadline. I don't want to risk a no Elim. You can just say no if you prefer to vote else where, communicate that. Also, I unvoted madge and said her frustration seemed townie, which is why I asked her to vote, alongside her not likely being around deadline either.

[EGW]

What opinions?

Exactly. Don't try to influence me when I'm making my list.

Well I cannot read your mind on that. You should have said you were making one.

[EGW]

Also, sheeping onto a vote is not insulting. It's a good technique if you have weak scumreads. Not trying to be insulting to you.

[Wam]

So did you?

Also, starting from Adum's start-of-day post, roughly what percentage of the total words have you read from the posts up to this point?

@Ali, I'd be curious to see what your current read graph looks like when you have the opportunity.

Phone posting for a bit so can't get to it for a bit. I've added Fred and Madge to town side. I think Mak too.

Feel like I'm being too generous with my townreads but nothing else yet has excited me.

That's OK. I just wanted to see where you placed moody or if you would vote him. It's quite obvious he is dancer to me, and I believed it should be apparent to a human!ali as well.

@Mak, it is not meta based.

I'm not sure how to take Wam's double placement of EGW and Madge, but I do not believe it is something I will be able to get over.

Vote: Wam

What happened to your solve?

[Wam]

Or your first content felt.townie and later pinged me and I forgot to remove the first entry....

You do this with Madge too. You have her as neutral and then you say she's scummy. Can you explain why she was neutral to you and then explain what felt scummy to you? Then do the same with me, tell me what town pinged you from my posts and then show where you got a scum ping and why.

First 5 posts from madge are normal day 1 madge.

This post pinged me. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73056#p73056

Esp

do mafia have daychat? it's probably in the rules which i did read ut didn't memorise.

Feels faked.

[Freddino18]

do mafia have daychat? it's probably in the rules which i did read ut didn't memorise.

Feels faked.

The rules seem to be intentionally ambiguous, this was a valid question. If there's no night elim, I have a theory about the gamerule.

[Wam]

do mafia have daychat? it's probably in the rules which i did read ut didn't memorise.

Feels faked.

The rules seem to be intentionally ambiguous, this was a valid question. If there's no night elim, I have a theory about the gamerule.

6. Unless your role PM specifically allows you the power, you are not to communicate with anyone about this game outside of this game thread. If your role PM does allow you this power, you are to PM all conversations to the mod and the co-mod.

I took this as nobody knows. The context your missing is we had a game ages ago where someone deliberately slipped about this question when scum and it became a thing. I'm 90% madge was in the game.

[Theallieza]

Gluelock and Wam are scum. I think people are latching on to the wrong thing to scumread Somi. I'd rather see his reads and his overall play. I'm neutral on Moody.

I am very suspicious of this. I feel like you are going for the most low-hanging fruit. Doesn't feel like a legit attempt at a solve to me.

[EGW]

I'm not surprised you would think that, pretty sure you have accused me of doing so before in other games. Low hanging fruit does not mean they cannot be scum. Plus think about the reasoning. Does my reason suck? Does it seem fake? Etc.

[EGW]

It's like you expect me to force my reads instead, not going to do that.

[Makhaira]

but they werent scumreading each other, seven scumread EGW and EGW townread seven for it. how did you misunderstand this?

It was a quick throwaway line about Seven and EGW debating each other already like they usually do, I just chose the wrong word because I wasn't paying too much attention.

Why weren't you paying too much attention? If you're trying to solve shouldn't you be paying attention to the specific reads different slots have on each other? Or do you not care what others think much this early in the game because it doesn't affect you existentially and you already know everyone's alignment and derivatively who's reads are right and wrong already?

IMO yeet wam or JC if they don't have something meaningful up in 24 hours, yeet JC over wam unless wam is obviously wack

Again, no lurker elims, they're useless as an opening move.

What faction benefits from having a smaller papertrail and lower average contribution per slot in any given game? Town or Scum? Said another way, which faction benefits the most from lurking?

Also, who is more likely to throw a game in endgame? A person who has been engaged and trying to contribute and solve all game, or someone who coasted by and did little to no thinking for themselves the whole game?

Im not sure if heury is actually tryin to contribute

I'm not sure this is alignment indicative for heury at this stage.

can you explain this?

IMO yeet wam or JC if they don't have something meaningful up in 24 hours, yeet JC over wam unless wam is obviously wack

moody and somi both feel weird and can probably go

heury glue and bessie are all kind of true null for me rn

I gut read madge's manicpost as town so light lean there, also similar gut read on freddy based on his early game play

seven and egw I just frankly need more from to be able to read and thea seems to be trying to solve and communicate legit reads I guess but none of them should be plays at this point for various nebulous reasons

I don't want to do want until he gets back to post. He's usually pretty easy to sort. Would you do Moody with me?

vote moody

sure Unvote: Wam Vote: Moody

Mak - town
EGW - town
Thea - Town

Somi - lean town
Bessie - lean town
Huery - lean town

Moody - neutral
Madge - neutral
JC - neutral, lack of content

Egw - lean scum, weird vibes but can't put my finger on what is making me suspicious.
Fred - lean scum, again not sure why but something is pinging me


Madge scummy , but always is day 1.
Glue - scummy one line vote having been quiet doesn't show desire to solve.

Don't like seven going day 1 solved and being quiet

vote seven

Happy with seven or Glue.

this seems like a massive unforced error for scum!wam to list the same slots in contradictory categories, wouldn't expect him to be so careless as to make this kind of mistake but maybe I'm overestimating scum!wam

hard to criticize wam here for his reason for suspecting seven but its parroting without adding much else so bleh

what role in the scum partnership do you believe seven played in that game? point scum or support scum?

Seven posturing as very confident on the D1 solve and not actually pushing their picks is a bad look here tbh

Scum that helped coach Bessie play a townie game as scum. I can understand the idea behind support scum but not sure what you mean by point scum. They also meant to kill me N1 but I got bodyguarded. (Thanks to JC) I understand Seven the most here most likely. I still think he's town. Him not pushing me at the very least shows that he either didn't truly believe I was scum early game, or if he does somehow (boo) then he'd wait to see how I play to truly develop his read on me. In the other game, he just instantly read me as town. (Yeah EGW you're town I get it, *votes Mak*) So, towntell for Seven for pumping the brakes.

Point scum = the "point man", i.e. the person who is leading the charge and playing the most active scum role. The powerwolf in the context of the game so to speak. Support scum = the mate who takes the back seat and plays around what the point man is doing.

I'd argue that seven was the point scum in that game and their play here is not incongruent. Their read on your slot here may be flipped but this is still seven trying to put their thumb on the scales early with some bravado. scum!seven used the same overconfident approach to get me yeeted that game, they thunderdomed me ffs!

Vote: Gluelock

His entrance feels like he was already caught up and only posted when called out (reactive) rather than posting actively. Madge, vote with me.

how did you get this from gluelock simply blockquoting one post from madge and simply voting madge? are you saying the slot is reacting to the prod or people generally calling out inactive slots? Or are you saying the slot is defensively reacting to something madge said in their post?

Wam has me as town and then scum in the same reads list, so feels fake to me.

Or your first content felt.townie and later pinged me and I forgot to remove the first entry....

this interaction makes me firmly believe wam and EGW cannot be mates

Or your first content felt.townie and later pinged me and I forgot to remove the first entry....

You do this with Madge too. You have her as neutral and then you say she's scummy. Can you explain why she was neutral to you and then explain what felt scummy to you? Then do the same with me, tell me what town pinged you from my posts and then show where you got a scum ping and why.

@Seven how does this specific post impact your EGW read?

Imma be honest, I don't even know if I'll be awake for deadline. My sleep schedule has been drastically shifting this week after getting fired and trying to transition to a day shift position. I am on US Mountain Time btw.

At the very least proxy your vote to mine if you have no other idea.

haaha now i'll remember you gluelock, thanks for the vote.

deadline is at noon my time but i have a meeting from 11-12 that day at work so i won't be online for deadline unless it finishes early (which it does sometimes)

Please be sure to vote (with me) before deadline for sure. Remember this is majority game.

@Seven again, how does EGW early power grabbing here affect your read of the slot?

That's OK. I just wanted to see where you placed moody or if you would vote him. It's quite obvious he is dancer to me, and I believed it should be apparent to a human!ali as well.

@Mak, it is not meta based.

I'm not sure how to take Wam's double placement of EGW and Madge, but I do not believe it is something I will be able to get over.

Vote: Wam

why wam over moody if you're so convinced moody is scum? do you believe scum!wam is likely commit such an unforced error as scum this early in the game under relatively low pressure?

It's the immediate vote. NOTHING SINISTER.
Unvote: EGW.

are you referring to your own immediate unvote here?

No, he voted for me in his first non-confirm post.

freddino seems markedly more active than past games like maybe actually invested in this one?

I am currently unemployed, no distractions.

Madge, vote with me.

We gonna ignore this?

Pre-edit: Shit, just lost everything before the EGW quote. My rewrites are not up to the quality I had before. /pre-edit

This last set has put EGW on the radar for me in a MAJOR way. The attempted bussing is blatant and, frankly, insulting. Please don't try to insert your reads into my opinions.

Vote EGW

Fred and EGW are also not mates

i am too much of a manic pixie dream girl for 'em

This is an incredibly accurate description of Madge

considering the description is coming from madge herself, what is the significance of the statement's alleged accuracy?

[Theallieza]

So did you?

Also, starting from Adum's start-of-day post, roughly what percentage of the total words have you read from the posts up to this point?

@Ali, I'd be curious to see what your current read graph looks like when you have the opportunity.

Phone posting for a bit so can't get to it for a bit. I've added Fred and Madge to town side. I think Mak too.

Feel like I'm being too generous with my townreads but nothing else yet has excited me.

That's OK. I just wanted to see where you placed moody or if you would vote him. It's quite obvious he is dancer to me, and I believed it should be apparent to a human!ali as well.

@Mak, it is not meta based.

I'm not sure how to take Wam's double placement of EGW and Madge, but I do not believe it is something I will be able to get over.

Vote: Wam

Can you tell me what you think about Wam's town/scum meta? Why is this error alignment indicative one way or the other?

[Freddino18]

powerwolf

Totally not a great band I hate music and those ones in particular

[Theallieza]

I'm not surprised you would think that, pretty sure you have accused me of doing so before in other games. Low hanging fruit does not mean they cannot be scum. Plus think about the reasoning. Does my reason suck? Does it seem fake? Etc.

Yes, your reasoning for both is terrible and feels very forced. I think getting either player off of null is hard to justify at this stage without a very strong meta tell. The timing that you made this push immediately after I started asking for votes for moody is also interesting.

[EGW]

I'm eating BBQ so will answer you later Mak. Theaalliza I want you to ask yourself the same question you asked Seven but replace Wam with Somi. Then answer it.

[Theallieza]

@Makheira
Heury tends to be very low impact early game and is often eliminated D1 regardless of alignment.

Also, I think given how many people have minimal content, we should use one of these this day:

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[EGW]

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