HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

[bessie]

There doesn’t have to be an elaborate motivation for everything. Sometimes it’s all just good fun. If it were something more serious sure but I thought it was pretty obv that Glue was just messing around

What is this in response to?

[moody7277]

There doesn’t have to be an elaborate motivation for everything. Sometimes it’s all just good fun. If it were something more serious sure but I thought it was pretty obv that Glue was just messing around

What is this in response to?

You want me to guess, or wait for Seven?

[JC_DADDY25]

There doesn’t have to be an elaborate motivation for everything. Sometimes it’s all just good fun. If it were something more serious sure but I thought it was pretty obv that Glue was just messing around

It wasn't, and I'm surprised you're blowing it off the way you are.

[bessie]

There doesn’t have to be an elaborate motivation for everything. Sometimes it’s all just good fun. If it were something more serious sure but I thought it was pretty obv that Glue was just messing around

What is this in response to?

You want me to guess, or wait for Seven?

I saw it after I posted and I thought it was a response to something I said and it wasn't clear, but I guess it was in response to you?

There doesn’t have to be an elaborate motivation for everything. Sometimes it’s all just good fun. If it were something more serious sure but I thought it was pretty obv that Glue was just messing around

It wasn't, and I'm surprised you're blowing it off the way you are.

Yes interesting how Seven is answering for/defending Gluelock. Its like when he hijacked my question to somitomi.

[JC_DADDY25]

Socially when he's being so ticky tack with everyone else

[JC_DADDY25]

EBWOP

Especially when he's being so ticky tack with everyone else

[moody7277]

I saw it after I posted and I thought it was a response to something I said and it wasn't clear, but I guess it was in response to you?

That's what I was figuring; Seven even fake taking Gluelock seriously says they don't even take their own claim seriously. I'm not totally expecting BF level gambits, but to push it off as "jj" seems trite. At this point, counterclaims are one of the main tools we're judging alignment with.

[AdumbroDeus]

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What do you make of Adum’s argument that youd be gunning for SK

I don’t do “If I were town/scum would I do that” posts. But in general (of course other factors come in to play too), I think it is more advantageous for mafia that has identified a serial killer to leave that person alive for the first few days to help thin out town, especially if it is traditional (as it is here) to have the serial killer win con be last man standing

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Noting that you're affirming this after the purpose of the question was clearly articulated.

@Bessie

I'll have to do a more complete response to your post when I have time but holy crap, that game sounds like a nightmare to play

We had a lot of experimental setups on the old site, and almost never had vanilla games. We would occasionally have Matrix6 or a newbie setup that were advertised for newbies wanting to learn the game. I pointed out JC’s post about how the mafia doctor might function, and my own idea trying to figure out the “weirdness” with the Human team. I think that it is a mistake to disregard these ideas.

Fair, the doc being able to bypass their own protection when they're loud is in my opinion, a bastard setup though.

@Everyone: thoughts on massclaiming toDay? My concern is since it's 3-2 imo, it's likely we have to nail scum continuously from ToMorrow on to have a realistic chance of winning and having one extra lynch is useful for piecing out contradictory claim.

No. I don’t believe in claiming for no reason.

And in this case, I don’t know if it is a good idea. We don’t know the Humans' goal. With their investigative role, what if they have a lyncher-type win con?

And meta read, but I don’t think Sabrar would make a game that was so unbalanced that town only get one miselim. Madge would.

I'm interpreting this as a weirder and more experimental game which I guess would put this in Madge's wheelhouse, where town depends on scum at least to a degree, but not experimental enough for a three man scum lynched team. I've never seen that but I have seen games where scum were expected to cross eliminate.

If everyone else agreed would you be willing to claim?

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[bessie]

@Adum, if the doctor role is traditional with no weirdness, what motivation does George have to use it on a townie if he has a living partner?

[JC_DADDY25]

@AdumbroDeus What makes you say the mafia loud doctor bypassed their own protection

[AdumbroDeus]

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Ebwop:

Correcting mangled quote tags in last post:

I don’t do “If I were town/scum would I do that” posts. But in general (of course other factors come in to play too), I think it is more advantageous for mafia that has identified a serial killer to leave that person alive for the first few days to help thin out town, especially if it is traditional (as it is here) to have the serial killer win con be last man standing

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Noting that you're affirming this after the purpose of the question was clearly articulated.

We had a lot of experimental setups on the old site, and almost never had vanilla games. We would occasionally have Matrix6 or a newbie setup that were advertised for newbies wanting to learn the game. I pointed out JC’s post about how the mafia doctor might function, and my own idea trying to figure out the “weirdness” with the Human team. I think that it is a mistake to disregard these ideas.

Fair, the doc being able to bypass their own protection when they're loud is in my opinion, a bastard setup though.

No. I don’t believe in claiming for no reason.

And in this case, I don’t know if it is a good idea. We don’t know the Humans' goal. With their investigative role, what if they have a lyncher-type win con?

And meta read, but I don’t think Sabrar would make a game that was so unbalanced that town only get one miselim. Madge would.

I'm interpreting this as a weirder and more experimental game which I guess would put this in Madge's wheelhouse, where town depends on scum at least to a degree, but not experimental enough for a three man scum lynched team. I've never seen that but I have seen games where scum were expected to cross eliminate.

If everyone else agreed would you be willing to claim?

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[Seven]

lol yall silly

i guess it’s because im more familiar with blues personality and pictured his MU avatar during the whole thing

(JC is familiar too but JC such a srs bean)

[Seven]

When can we get this claim show on the road.

[AdumbroDeus]

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@Adum, if the doctor role is traditional with no weirdness, what motivation does George have to use it on a townie if he has a living partner?

We know it has some weirdness though, it's loud. That gives EGW a cost/benefit calculation for whether to protect scummates and potentially out them or try to use the public declarations as part of their mask.

I'd also like you to clarify whether you would agree to mass claim if the rest of town does. I'm definitely taking your opinion into consideration though.

@AdumbroDeus What makes you say the mafia loud doctor bypassed their own protection

I'm not suggesting it, I'm mulling over my interpretation of what Bessie is suggesting as a reaction to what you suggested earlier about the mechanics of a Mafia doc, which Bessie seemed to confirm is what they intended.

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[AdumbroDeus]

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Hey all my activity is going to be mostly limited to evenings for the rest of the days until deadline, I just got to Austin for the F1 races this weekend so Im going to be completely occupied at the event during the day Fri-Sun. Im gonna try to get caught up on the last few pages though tonight atleast before bed

Dunno if you're on, but I'd like your thoughts on mass-claiming, specifically because I'm concerned about the possibility of a 3-2 mafia setup.");

[moody7277]

I'm Alexa, and I can track two people and watch two people, but I only get results if one of the people I'm tracking visits one of the people I'm watching.

N1: no data
N2: saw EGW visit Seven.

[AdumbroDeus]

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I'm Alexa, and I can track two people and watch two people, but I only get results if one of the people I'm tracking visits one of the people I'm watching.

N1: no data
N2: saw EGW visit Seven.

I wanted more discussion.

*Sigh* still wanted more input.

Anyways since you already claimed who were your targets that didn't give data? That's important.

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[moody7277]

N1 Tracked Seven and somi, Watched bessie and LG
N2 Tracked EGW and Makhaira, Watched Seven and Adum

[Seven]

JC next?

[bessie]

I'd also like you to clarify whether you would agree to mass claim if the rest of town does. I'm definitely taking your opinion into consideration though.

I would consider claiming my night result, but not necessarily my complete role. Would need to think about that.
Hmm, would claim my night result.
Will not claim my role name, because I an still wary of a lyncher.

Initial thought, moody has claimed too much information for it to be a lie.

[bessie]

I'm interpreting this as a weirder and more experimental game which I guess would put this in Madge's wheelhouse, where town depends on scum at least to a degree, but not experimental enough for a three man scum lynched team. I've never seen that but I have seen games where scum were expected to cross eliminate.

My feeling is that Sabrar would consider the underlined poor game design and would not approve it.

[AdumbroDeus]

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Thanks @moody

JC next?

Yep, it's a good choice.

I'd also like you to clarify whether you would agree to mass claim if the rest of town does. I'm definitely taking your opinion into consideration though.

I would consider claiming my night result, but not necessarily my complete role. Would need to think about that.
Hmm, would claim my night result.
Will not claim my role name, because I an still wary of a lyncher.

Fair, thank you.

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[AdumbroDeus]

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I'm interpreting this as a weirder and more experimental game which I guess would put this in Madge's wheelhouse, where town depends on scum at least to a degree, but not experimental enough for a three man scum lynched team. I've never seen that but I have seen games where scum were expected to cross eliminate.

My feeling is that Sabrar would consider the underlined poor game design and would not approve it.

I would consider it poor game design too (*thinks of Golden sun mafia*), but humans seem to have a lot of night power for scumhunting, both giving them tools to identity dissenters and giving dissenters an incentive to hunt them or at least hunt the public doc. Which is maybe why they thought it was balanced? I'm having trouble thinking of fairer setups that this power set makes sense for.

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[JC_DADDY25]

JC next?

I'll pass.

[AdumbroDeus]

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Vote: JC

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