HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

[Seven]

Adum what do you make of the fact that bessie didn’t list the reason you were thinking

[Seven]

I think the scum team not being able to communicate is a great theory. It means that instead of having a night kill they have a scum vig and that vig targeted me last night. Im being confirmed town all over the place.

[Seven]

Also makes the game 8+1/4 probably

[Gluelock]

Also makes the game 8+1/4 probably

The math syntax here is going to fry my circuits

[AdumbroDeus]

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If they thought I was SK N2 they would have killed me.

Why?? It would be beneficial for mafia to have a serial killer in the game. A serial killer is not on town’s side. This is one of those basic misunderstandings that I don’t think you’re capable of and therefore you must be scum.

What do you make of Adum’s argument that youd be gunning for SK

Touché

Fundamental meta disagreement with Bessie here, but if she doesn't think that scum should be going after serial killers (who have every incentive to NK mafia and when they do give a lot of information when successful) then your theory is no longer fatally flawed on the most basic level.

[AdumbroDeus]

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[Gluelock]

EBWOP

@JC

I’m also unsure what exactly your claiming is very suspicious. Can you tell me more about what you mean and why?

It's giving me bad vibes.

Okay but what exactly do you mean by “it’s”?

Like I’m cool if you want to scum read me for something but be clear about why.

[Gluelock]

Btw
Vote: Bessie

Between the contradiction being uncovered by adum and seven and what I feel to be an unfounded stance around seven, your slot needs some actual pressure.

[Seven]

ive been finding ants in my toilet, yes IN my toilet. you guys think that that could indicate an early sign of diabetes

[Gluelock]

Actually yes, sweet urine is a result of diabetes and ants would be attracted to that. Get your A1C levels checked my friend.

Source: mostly pulled out of my @$$

[AdumbroDeus]

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Adum what do you make of the fact that bessie didn’t list the reason you were thinking

I don't think my reason is the only reason. I think "EGW pushes other people to produce content and more content is good" is still a valid rationale, if facile. It doesn't particularly ping either way. Obviously 1 and 2 are post revelation.

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[Seven]

Actually yes, sweet urine is a result of diabetes and ants would be attracted to that. Get your A1C levels checked my friend.

Source: mostly pulled out of my @$$

gog dammit ngl i haven't been eating healthily since i moved from co and i don't work out

[Seven]

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Adum what do you make of the fact that bessie didn’t list the reason you were thinking

I don't think my reason is the only reason. I think "EGW pushes other people to produce content and more content is good" is still a valid rationale, if facile. It doesn't particularly ping either way. Obviously 1 and 2 are post revelation.

What do you think the reason I thought of was?");

spew

[AdumbroDeus]

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Adum what do you make of the fact that bessie didn’t list the reason you were thinking

I don't think my reason is the only reason. I think "EGW pushes other people to produce content and more content is good" is still a valid rationale, if facile. It doesn't particularly ping either way. Obviously 1 and 2 are post revelation.

What do you think the reason I thought of was?");

spew

Assuming my Google foo is correct, nope, there's a reason before we knew they still had a teammate Alive.

Specifically the possibility of revealing interactions with their killer (assuming they still made that killchoice obviously, but this is true of any kill choice). They were still almost definitely killed by an anti-town player.

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[AdumbroDeus]

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@Bessie

I'll have to do a more complete response to your post when I have time but holy crap, that game sounds like a nightmare to play");

[JC_DADDY25]

EBWOP

@JC

I’m also unsure what exactly your claiming is very suspicious. Can you tell me more about what you mean and why?

It's giving me bad vibes.

Okay but what exactly do you mean by “it’s”?

Like I’m cool if you want to scum read me for something but be clear about why.

Did I claim to be scum reading you?

[Gluelock]

EBWOP



It's giving me bad vibes.

Okay but what exactly do you mean by “it’s”?

Like I’m cool if you want to scum read me for something but be clear about why.

Did I claim to be scum reading you?

Implicitly. You’re choosing not to directly respond to my questions, so that’s something.

[AdumbroDeus]

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Btw
Vote: Bessie

Between the contradiction being uncovered by adum and seven and what I feel to be an unfounded stance around seven, your slot needs some actual pressure.

It wasn't a contradiction. I thought that Seven's theory has a fatal flaw because of how I expected Bessie to act if they think they caught a SK as mafia.

As it turns out Bessie has a very different view, which we'll have to discuss post-game, but it makes Seven's theory not fatally flawed from the onset.

The issue still remains that there's a second unexplained missing kill.

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[Gluelock]

Actually yes, sweet urine is a result of diabetes and ants would be attracted to that. Get your A1C levels checked my friend.

Source: mostly pulled out of my @$$

gog dammit ngl i haven't been eating healthily since i moved from co and i don't work out

Guess you ought to return to co then huh?

[AdumbroDeus]

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ive been finding ants in my toilet, yes IN my toilet. you guys think that that could indicate an early sign of diabetes

Quick google-fu suggests there are a few other possible causes, so not necessarily diabetes. But definitely have that checked out.

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[AdumbroDeus]

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So, in looking at whether the loud mechanic has anything that stands out to it, I came across the basic role info on a scum doctor...
In Mafia hands, the Doctor role has an additional, unrelated effect: a Mafia Doctor kills without the use of a gun, and thus a Gunsmith will not see a gun when investigating a Mafia Doctor.
Are we overthinking what's going on?
Could EGW have used his Doctor role to kill BoomFrog? The target of Seven is where I get confused on whether this could work or not, because it says Seven was protected and EGW died. Is there a role that reflects the actin to whoever used it?

I like your thought process. There’s a possibility we are not interpreting the mechanics of the Human roles correctly.
Pre post edit: And I’m surprised only LaserGuy acknowledged this post. Interesting.

Heh?

That's a reasonable possibility, but I immediately thought of at least one other possibile reason. I'll wait til Bessie comments though, I'm interested in her rationale as well

Some reasons if would have been good to keep George talking, point of view is general.
1. If George is scum, we want him to post more content because analyzing his content could help in determining his partner(s).
2. If George is scum (or town), there may be hints as to what night results or night actions he and/or his team has performed.
3. Someone can’t (scum/town) slip if they’re not posting (I’m looking at all you low posters here).
4. George talks a lot and he pushes others to post. More content from George results in more content from everyone.
5. More content is always beneficial to TOWN. Content is most of what we have to hunt scum. Night results can be uncertain.

4 (which 3 and 5 are extensions of) is valid, if facile. My first thought was "more interactions that could potentially reveal his killer".

I was specifically only interested in why you might want more content from him before knowing he still had a living scummate so 1 and 2 aren't really topical (Zeniba didn't get any actions and EGW's actions are public), but they're definitely valid now.

If they thought I was SK N2 they would have killed me.

Why?? It would be beneficial for mafia to have a serial killer in the game. A serial killer is not on town’s side. This is one of those basic misunderstandings that I don’t think you’re capable of and therefore you must be scum.

Yaaaaa, 100% meta disagree on this. SK is a random factor that's just as dangerous to town as scum so both want them out asap.

However that you disagree lends a bit more credence to seven's theory.

She thinks you're perma-BP, is that common anymore? Would explain why she's obsessed with yeeting you.

Maybe I want him eliminated because he’s scum??

The actually was the assertion yes.

Seven was suggesting you were were mafia that figured out the SK's identity due to a blocked shot. I was suggesting that it didn't work because you'd want to kill the SK and would shift your tunnel there.

Evidentially I was wrong. I think it's a 3-2-1-7 game though.

Lol, poor glue, and specifically he seems, lets say happy, carefree, and a lover of life we should all emulate based on past play*

I could see him not noticing the three (I think) times it was discussed.

*Yes I am quoting Bessie there.

Hey at least put my quote in the proper context! Now we’re going to have Seven quoting you and using “my words” as an evidence of how scum!me is trying to manipulate Gluelock. Then LaserGuy and somitomi are going to follow him and start using it as a fact and it will be just like the mason thing.

Lol, I think that was because people caught on to how you use BCs.

That you're the obvious answer if Bessie has night data on anyone as scum is you not thinking through the implications of your theory. If it was somebody else, it's completely illogical for Bessie to not move their tunnel.;

I tried to expand my horizons and got sabotaged by Seven. And Seven is so scummy it’s making it hard to look elsewhere.

Not a critique. Again, this was discussing a hypothetical I disagree with.

I don't know Trisscar well enough to comment on her thought process.

Appreciated. As stated above, trying to figure out if Zeniba or EGW thought Moody was legitimately otherscum so we can safely eliminate moody from the possible humans.

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[somitomi]

Sorry everyone, I zoned out a little... I mean a background thread looped and locked up a resource, halting all of my computations.

Processing backlog...

Could EGW have used his Doctor role to kill BoomFrog? The target of Seven is where I get confused on whether this could work or not, because it says Seven was protected and EGW died. Is there a role that reflects the actin to whoever used it?

I wouldn't think so, at least not unconditionally because that would be absolutely overpowered. I've never heard of this mechanic before though and now I'm wondering how it interacts with, say, a PGO.

I don't get this at all. Was this some sort of reaction test? Just for the lolz? I don't really feel like there's a scum motivation for this since it's so easily confirmable that it's kind of pointless and just draws attention to you, but I don't really get any sense of a townie motivation out of you for doing it. Just weird.

You read my mind, man

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Question, people talked about Zeniba as a potential power wolf, how insightful is she as town? Or at least how insightful does she think she is?

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I don't know zeniba well enough to comment on that

The lack of a scum kill both nights is a problem for ALL SK theories. This theory only explains one and not the other. Your answer doesn't explain why Bessie is tunneling you so hard and doesn't really seem that interested in other people if she as mafia knows the SK and it's NOT you.
What I'm suggesting requires a fair number of assumptions (the still missing mafia kill N2 was stopped some other way, EGW and Bessie butting heads heavily), but it's the version that matches her behavior.

She thinks you're perma-BP, is that common anymore? Would explain why she's obsessed with yeeting you.

Either way, I still doubt it. I think it's 3-2 ATM, but if you legitimately think this is what's happening, who else do you think Bessie might have pegged as SK?"

The missing kill is a problem for any theory with more than one scum faction though. I think it's entirely possible the flavour is a red herring and the "dissenters" are actually the humans. Which of course doesn't explain the EGW kill, so I guess it's just another theory with a big hole I'd have to plaster over with more assumptions...

I think the scum team not being able to communicate is a great theory. It means that instead of having a night kill they have a scum vig and that vig targeted me last night. Im being confirmed town all over the place.

I feel like I'm missing several logical steps between "scum vig" and "vig targeted you last night".

Guess you ought to return to co then huh?

CO is pretty

[AdumbroDeus]

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The lack of a scum kill both nights is a problem for ALL SK theories. This theory only explains one and not the other. Your answer doesn't explain why Bessie is tunneling you so hard and doesn't really seem that interested in other people if she as mafia knows the SK and it's NOT you.
What I'm suggesting requires a fair number of assumptions (the still missing mafia kill N2 was stopped some other way, EGW and Bessie butting heads heavily), but it's the version that matches her behavior.

She thinks you're perma-BP, is that common anymore? Would explain why she's obsessed with yeeting you.

Either way, I still doubt it. I think it's 3-2 ATM, but if you legitimately think this is what's happening, who else do you think Bessie might have pegged as SK?"

The missing kill is a problem for any theory with more than one scum faction though. I think it's entirely possible the flavour is a red herring and the "dissenters" are actually the humans. Which of course doesn't explain the EGW kill, so I guess it's just another theory with a big hole I'd have to plaster over with more assumptions...

This was specifically in the context of Seven's theory that Bessie is mafia and knows who the SK is.

I'm of the opinion we're looking at humans who can't kill and dissenters who can, but I also think something like a redirector with a single human scumteam makes more sense than a SK/mafia setup.

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[Seven]

I have a theory, but I think we should mass claim before I out it.

[AdumbroDeus]

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Oh ya, I was actually thinking we should mass claim tomorrow before the revelation that there's still at least a human alive, but we're potentially in a situation where if we mislynch toDay we have to kill scum every day in order to not get end-gamed.

So maybe we should be mass claiming toDay.

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