HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

[Seven]

@bessie did you know heury was an Unjester?

No.

Cool. Would like for you to claim but I know you're too stubborn so unfortunately we have to just yeet you.

Vote: bessie

[bessie]

but we know EGW did in fact not have a kill last night

Scuse me, but how do we “know” this?

we know it was the dissenters that targeted Glue N1.

We don’t “know” this either. Stop posting your speculations as facts.

I mean under the condition that there isn't a PGO/redirector.

Your content this entire game hasn’t been about solving, it’s about controlling the narrative.

I don't feel like claiming.

Vote: Seven

[Seven]

I don't think we need to spend days on this, let's get some votes in place, everyone. Currently I'm at L-2, bessie L-3 I believe.

[Seven]

bessie scum post for reference: viewtopic.php?p=9071#p9071

[AdumbroDeus]

System.out.println("

bessie scum post for reference: viewtopic.php?p=9071#p9071

What exactly is their play as survivor supposed to prove?

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[Seven]

System.out.println("

bessie scum post for reference: viewtopic.php?p=9071#p9071

What exactly is their play as survivor supposed to prove?

");

Prove? It is not intended for proof. It is intended as a reference to her posting style. I'd provide a mafia game if there were some available on xkcd. Smashboard games aren't a good reference as she plays differently offsite (shyness).

[Seven]

The key thing to pay attention to is the way she talks to me there and here. The thing about scumbessie is that she takes an antagonistic stance against every comment that the person she is pushing makes. Town bessie finds particular things suspicious and she will point out speculations, but scum bessie finds every thing suspicious about the person she is pushing. Her MO is not to give headway to anything they say.

[AdumbroDeus]

System.out.println("

If he was caught up, he should have known that I was simply trying to cover for Adum. Frozen is not reading closely at all. Cause he's not trying to solve. Just needs to know the bare minimum to keep enough to pretend he's solving.

I do not agree with this. Your content has been all over the place in this game, and it is hard to determine exactly what your current claims are. And I still don’t see (or buy) that you were just trying to cover for Adum.

You're incorrect here, if you read back the posts it's pretty obvious where they got the impression: viewtopic.php?p=52475#p52475

I read back on this some point last day phase and realized if those final two lines were assumed to be a response to that first paragraph instead of one for each paragraph, then that would explain Seven's assumption and his "message" came a little while after in the exchange.

Of course they could've made that mistake as town or scum in the latter case the attempts to protect me were obfuscation but I'm nearly positive their belief was sincere.

EGW kill makes no sense unless moody is the killer though I guess that could be an easy way to set the slot up given EGWs EOD final post

But EGW didn’t know that would be his final post. I was supposed to come back to discuss moody with EGW. EGW prodded me several times about it, and could have been hoping to use our discussion to change his position.

There's also the far more obvious possibilities, PR hunting and otherscum hunting.

ooo good point

This is a townslip (or Seven is very good)

This is not a townslip. FoS somitomi.

I'd agree but less because it's invalid and more because it discounts that we're in a presumptive multi-scum team setup. That's just as likely the reason to not reflexively consider how it looks.

Unrelated, I'm waiting with baited breath for glue to come back ");

[AdumbroDeus]

System.out.println("

System.out.println("

bessie scum post for reference: viewtopic.php?p=9071#p9071

What exactly is their play as survivor supposed to prove?

");

Prove? It is not intended for proof. It is intended as a reference to her posting style. I'd provide a mafia game if there were some available on xkcd. Smashboard games aren't a good reference as she plays differently offsite (shyness).

You're misunderstanding, specifically being overly literal.

My point is that it isn't a good illustration because it's not the type of role that would produce comparable results to being mafia/SK or the like, at least in my opinion.

The key thing to pay attention to is the way she talks to me there and here. The thing about scumbessie is that she takes an antagonistic stance against every comment that the person she is pushing makes. Town bessie finds particular things suspicious and she will point out speculations, but scum bessie finds every thing suspicious about the person she is pushing. Her MO is not to give headway to anything they say.

Hmmm, I'll recheck and compare but I got the impression that she's a little tunnel happy as town and that clouds her judgement.

In spite of my feelings on your slot, some of the critiques do seem unfair, like the sureness you phrased certain of the setup speculation in your last post, things like one NK and that at least last NK didn't come from the humans (without say a redirector) seem so bleeding obvious. But I also don't think they're Bessie-scum unfair, more Bessie tunnel unfair.

The one thing that did stick out to me is that EGW mentioned that Bessie has a really nasty tone as scum, which gallon of salt, flipped mafia, but the tone is just really harsh.

But gun to my head, Bessie>you right now.

Oh and Mak and Bessie are definitely right in that you shouldn't assume that roles are inherently not complex.

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[Seven]

My point is that it isn't a good illustration because it's not the type of role that would produce comparable results to being mafia/SK or the like, at least in my opinion.

Maybe if it were a normal setup but I think surviver and second scum team are compatible for the aspects that I'm looking at.

[Seven]

comparable*

[AdumbroDeus]

System.out.println("

My point is that it isn't a good illustration because it's not the type of role that would produce comparable results to being mafia/SK or the like, at least in my opinion.

Maybe if it were a normal setup but I think surviver and second scum team are compatible for the aspects that I'm looking at.

But you know what? I'll look over the game when I get a chance. That probably won't be til Friday due to me working til 5 am Weds and Thurs but I'll do what I can and see if that comparison is justified because it is a weird setup, even if it seems like an inherently weird claim.

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[Seven]

You don't have to, it's unnecessary if you don't think they are comparable. I'd rather just get this show on the road.

[madge]

Votals:
Seven - 3 - JC, Mak, Bessie
Bessie - 2 - LaserGuy, Seven

Night 3 will start at noon on Sunday the 22nd of October (UTC+8), or in about 3 days, 21 hours, 30 minutes.

With 9 players alive, 5 are required to vote off.

@madge: Assuming it doesn't also end the game, would it be announced if a team is eliminated?

In the event that a team is eliminated and the game doesn't end, said elimination will be announced.

[Seven]

Well that changes things.

[Seven]

Votals:
Seven - 3 - JC, Mak, Bessie
Bessie - 3 - LaserGuy, Seven

Night 3 will start at noon on Sunday the 22nd of October (UTC+8), or in about 3 days, 21 hours, 30 minutes.

With 9 players alive, 5 are required to vote off.

@madge: Assuming it doesn't also end the game, would it be announced if a team is eliminated?

In the event that team is eliminated and the game doesn't end, said elimination will be announced.

bessie has 2 votes btw

[madge]

bessie has 2 votes btw

My maths error has been fixed

[somitomi]

\"No comment\"= \"we did it correctly\", if it was in error they'd be obligated to fix it.

I can't speak for past games, but this sort of deception seemingly goes goes further, they let others draw implications rather than explicitly lying. There's also the question of her knowing the Doc that just got NK'd, even if they are a scumdoc.

I could argue that this isn't explicitly untrue even if LaserGuy's theory iss correct but I'm not about to give Seven ideas

Anyway Blue is pulling your chains, he’s not in my hood. Laser was my only target.

Ok, nevermind that now
@Gluelock: explain yourself

oh jfc I jusst got ninja'd by like a page typing that up and may have just hammered fml

Yeah, unfortunate. We could have used any additional content we could get out of George.

This feels kinda iffy in a way I'm not sure I can articulate well.

This is not a townslip. FoS somitomi.

Now this feels like home

I'd agree but less because it's invalid and more because it discounts that we're in a presumptive multi-scum team setup. That's just as likely the reason to not reflexively consider how it looks.

Fair, but even so I'd think scum!Seven would be more conscious of this aspect even if otherwise the claim and EGW's confirmation was legitimate.

[JC_DADDY25]

I took Seven's comment as sarcasm.

[LaserGuy]

What am I missing?

It just seems to be a very genuine "huh, I haven't thought of that" reaction that I think is very hard to fake if you're scum bullshitting us with the neighbourizer claim. It indicates a mindset so locked in on this reality that it never even occured to you how "EGW confirms your claim and immediately flips scum" might look from the outside, which is definitely something mafia thinks about if they set up a gambit like this.

The neighborizer claim is definitely real. I think don't think it's particularly AI--given that the cop and doc were both scum, we can't trust roles to give us alignment info directly and neighorizer is often a scum role anyway (I think I've seen more scum neighborizers than Town ones, actually).

[LaserGuy]

Anyway Blue is pulling your chains, he’s not in my hood. Laser was my only target.

Wut

[LaserGuy]

Vote: bessie

With heury apparently not being a mason I'm feeling a lot less charitable.

Please further explain this vote and your comment.

I have had you as scum since D1. I put that read on the backburner late D1 as I thought you/heury were masons. Now that this is evidently not the case, it seems likely that you are just mafia.

[LaserGuy]

It just seems to be a very genuine "huh, I haven't thought of that" reaction that I think is very hard to fake if you're scum bullshitting us with the neighbourizer claim. It indicates a mindset so locked in on this reality that it never even occured to you how "EGW confirms your claim and immediately flips scum" might look from the outside, which is definitely something mafia thinks about if they set up a gambit like this.

The neighborizer claim is definitely real. I think don't think it's particularly AI--given that the cop and doc were both scum, we can't trust roles to give us alignment info directly and neighorizer is often a scum role anyway (I think I've seen more scum neighborizers than Town ones, actually).

EBWOP

[Gluelock]

Anyway Blue is pulling your chains, he’s not in my hood. Laser was my only target.

Lol well, that was fun while it lasted

[somitomi]

I took Seven's comment as sarcasm.

...ok, that is possible. My text-to-sarcasm software has been rather buggy lately.

The neighborizer claim is definitely real. I think don't think it's particularly AI--given that the cop and doc were both scum, we can't trust roles to give us alignment info directly and neighorizer is often a scum role anyway (I think I've seen more scum neighborizers than Town ones, actually).

I never considered the role itself alignment-indicative, that read was based on just that one remark that I might be completely misinterpreting.

Anyway Blue is pulling your chains, he’s not in my hood. Laser was my only target.

Lol well, that was fun while it lasted

If nothing else, can I have your thoughts on this?

That wording here is pinging me something crazy. If Laser is not in fact in the neighbour chat, he had to make the answer up based on information in the thread (like say, this post from Seven). But you didn't say he's wrong, you said he's "lying for whatever reason" when from your point of view that reason should be clear: he doesn't know what you know.