HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

[Makhaira]

Also on sk + neighborizor, nope all the roles are straight forward this game. Single role with a potential modifer (e.d loud doctor).

interesting way to phrase your argument in this post only to immediately walk it back once the OP gets quoted

[Seven]

@Seven, what did you and EGW talk about last night?

-I asked him if he trusted me enough to claim
-He said yes and told me he was the loud doctor
-I told him frozen was def scum. He asked for reasoning and told me moody is scum
-I went into Moody's meta and showed why is probably town, then went into why frozen is scum (essentially the same post I made here)
-He said no moody is scum, and thinks we're both right
-I asked him if he will help me yeet frozen. he said he'll stick to moody but will compromise if it comes down to it
-I asked him who I should neighborize. he said bessie
-I said just kidding about all of this im scum and killing you tonight, thanks for telling me you're doc
-he said man i was going to protect you too
-i said im just messin
-he said brb asking mods if can self protect
-he said but for real though im protecting you tonight

uhhhhhh the bolded hello?????

Superficial. I know your capabilities Mak. You are literally a god in terms of game solving. There’s no way you believe anything you’re pushing.

And by literally I mean figuratively but with emphasis.

[Seven]

Also on sk + neighborizor, nope all the roles are straight forward this game. Single role with a potential modifer (e.d loud doctor).

interesting way to phrase your argument in this post only to immediately walk it back once the OP gets quoted

Nope, theres nothing in that about the OP.

[Seven]

Glue and Mak both of you seem to have confusion with how night actions work:

-First, Frozen, the neighborizor cant talk to the person they neighborized in the same night. The action has to go through successfully first. Yesterday you thought that my neighbor told me heury was human, but I had not had a neighbor to talk with at that point.

-Blue, Mak couldnt’t have been my neighbor. George confirmed that I neighbored him. Additionally, what you’re speaking of is a cult. There are no alignment converting roles this game. What I believe Mak was either speaking of is that I simply win and exit the game once my hood reaches a certain level or win with the winning team at the end of the game if everyone alive is in my hood. That is, that I can win congruently with the winning team.

-Mak, the idea that im an indy killer contradicts your indy neighbor thing. Why would I kill George in that case. The reason why your theory is no good and worthy of being handwaved (it’s worrying that Blue thinks it’s so good) is that I haven’t actually been playing in a way that is consistent with that at all. For example, I was willing to be ellimed over alternatives day 1.

Are you claiming you didnt neighborize anyone N1 after zeniba elim? Because by day 2 you should have had a neighbor so of course I had reason to think that your neighbor could have had investigatory results from N1 that they could have communicated to you. How would I know whether your neighborhood has daychat or not?

And yes I agree that you killing EGW makes no sense if you're an indy marker, youre tanking your own wincon that way, but it is certainly possible that you scumslipped to EGW in the neighborhood, which would make you want to kill him. I also generally think a marker neighborizer with an every night kill is OP af and is not likely to be in the game. At this juncture im more inclined to believe youre an indy SK who happens to have the neighborizor power on top of that

Because it says in the OP and we’ve talked about it in thread extensively?

For the OP thing im referring to your question on night chat

[Makhaira]

The flattery is nice and all but I solve games when I have time to solve them, Ive been behind the content curve since like page 15 this game straight up, it is what it is and I get why youre concerned but my situation in the last game I solved in terms of time available to be ultra thorough could not be more different than my last town game where I found the full solve

I completely believe that you are not town here

[Makhaira]

Also on sk + neighborizor, nope all the roles are straight forward this game. Single role with a potential modifer (e.d loud doctor).

interesting way to phrase your argument in this post only to immediately walk it back once the OP gets quoted

Nope, theres nothing in that about the OP.

sample role PM literally addresses the possibility of roles having more than a "single role with a potential modfier", I just quoted it look for yourself

[AdumbroDeus]

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It makes sense as a question only from the perspective that we are in a one-team scenario. If we have a vig or redirector claim the kill on George, then I'll say. Otherwise, my neighborizing has already been confirmed. Telling them who is now in my hood just gives scum more info on who to kill.

neighborizer doesn't give firm info so there's no reason to kill around it.

What it's useful for is if important revelations occur in the neighborhood.

You said everyone gets out in the same neighborhood, I'd like to ask your current neighbor a question.");

Chat is reset with each addition but anyone in the hood at that point can talk to one another

I'd like your current neighbor to confirm that. But I think it's pretty clear you understood what I was going for and if so it would make no sense for you to admit EGW claimed. Or make it up for that matter.

Cards on the table, the EGW was really pinpoint and he was pretty mid in the pack overall. I'm trying to figure why he would be killed, and something in your interactions revealing he was scum made sense.

Your nightchat description provides an alternative, you were killing the doc, but if what you're saying is correct about the chat why would you claim he admitted he was the doc? Either way it's gonna bring suspicion.

However there are other alternatives, eg a scum tracker or watcher. Probably the latter if so because there seems like little reason to track EGW last game day but watching BF that night seems like a good bet.
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[AdumbroDeus]

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Mak's indignation feels pretty real here.

I agree with adum's assessment here and really am not impressed with heury's apathetic response to this claim against him, sarcasm in the face of a direct claim of info against you is a weak look especially if you're town like if you were legitimately town you would want to know who is spreading what is misinfo from your perspective

Mind explaining your thought process for why you paired these points with this post?

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I was explaining that I thought that gluelock was reading heury's posts way too literally, missing the context of heury being generally pretty sarcastic in his replies and clearly representing his own subjective conclusions about the setup/night actions as objective ones that glue was reading as actual arguments from heury for his interpretation being objectively correct

I was agreeing with you that glue was misunderstanding what was being said, and further agreeing that if heury was in fact representing he knew there were two kills and one got thwarted, that would be a TMI indicator

That covers you thinking my assessment being correct but doesn't cover the rest of what you said.

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[Makhaira]

Im not sure what you mean?

[Seven]

interesting way to phrase your argument in this post only to immediately walk it back once the OP gets quoted

Nope, theres nothing in that about the OP.

sample role PM literally addresses the possibility of roles having more than a "single role with a potential modfier", I just quoted it look for yourself

Ah ok.

[JC_DADDY25]

So waiting on that answer Seven.

[Seven]

So waiting on that answer Seven.

Not sure why you’re asking me. If the person I neighbored wants to say, they can.

[JC_DADDY25]

Still, not so

[AdumbroDeus]

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Im not sure what you mean?

Don't think there's any way to be more specific without revealing what I'm asking for, I think I understand your thought process for the post overall but I wanted to verify.");

[JC_DADDY25]

How about this...

Now that you know EGW's alignment, how do you feel about his recommendation to add Bessie to the group?

[Seven]

How about this...

Now that you know EGW's alignment, how do you feel about his recommendation to add Bessie to the group?

Not one way or another

[JC_DADDY25]

Interesting

[Gluelock]

Glue and Mak both of you seem to have confusion with how night actions work:

-First, Frozen, the neighborizor cant talk to the person they neighborized in the same night. The action has to go through successfully first. Yesterday you thought that my neighbor told me heury was human, but I had not had a neighbor to talk with at that point.

-Blue, Mak couldnt’t have been my neighbor. George confirmed that I neighbored him. Additionally, what you’re speaking of is a cult. There are no alignment converting roles this game. What I believe Mak was either speaking of is that I simply win and exit the game once my hood reaches a certain level or win with the winning team at the end of the game if everyone alive is in my hood. That is, that I can win congruently with the winning team.

-Mak, the idea that im an indy killer contradicts your indy neighbor thing. Why would I kill George in that case. The reason why your theory is no good and worthy of being handwaved (it’s worrying that Blue thinks it’s so good) is that I haven’t actually been playing in a way that is consistent with that at all. For example, I was willing to be ellimed over alternatives day 1.

Okay, I definitely misunderstood the mechanics and implications of your role. Most of my past games have been mountainous so playing around player roles is a new dimension of mafia for me. Having read more of todays discussion, I'm getting a better picture of what you guys are talking about though.

[LaserGuy]

So waiting on that answer Seven.

Not sure why you’re asking me. If the person I neighbored wants to say, they can.

[AdumbroDeus]

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So waiting on that answer Seven.

Not sure why you’re asking me. If the person I neighbored wants to say, they can.

Mind confirming Seven's assertion that the neighbor chat gets wiped with each new addition?");

[LaserGuy]

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Not sure why you’re asking me. If the person I neighbored wants to say, they can.

Mind confirming Seven's assertion that the neighbor chat gets wiped with each new addition?");

All I got was a message I was in the neighborhood. I think the chat is just done using PMs so there isn't really a paper trail unless someone compiles it by hand, but no, I don't have access to any previous discussion.

[AdumbroDeus]

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Mind confirming Seven's assertion that the neighbor chat gets wiped with each new addition?");

All I got was a message I was in the neighborhood. I think the chat is just done using PMs so there isn't really a paper trail unless someone compiles it by hand, but no, I don't have access to any previous discussion.

Sounds like it's worth asking the mods.

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[Gluelock]

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Mind confirming Seven's assertion that the neighbor chat gets wiped with each new addition?");

All I got was a message I was in the neighborhood. I think the chat is just done using PMs so there isn't really a paper trail unless someone compiles it by hand, but no, I don't have access to any previous discussion.

Sounds like it's worth asking the mods.

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I find it funny you even believe LG is truthfully claiming to be the neighbor. Especially when I know for a fact that he isn't....

[Makhaira]

Vote: bessie

With heury apparently not being a mason I'm feeling a lot less charitable.

can you get me up to speed on this? Why did you think heury was mason and how does that factor in to your bessie read?

[Makhaira]

I find it funny you even believe LG is truthfully claiming to be the neighbor. Especially when I know for a fact that he isn't....

what does this mean?????