Seven wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:39 pm
George vote for JC
Laser, voye for JC
Here's JC so far:
post 0: confirm
post 1: fluff
post 2: resume stuff
post 3: catch up notification
post 4: correction to post 3
post 5: 2nd catch up notification
So if you're wanting to relieve him of the burden of playing this bullet train game, you can say so. I'm seeing zero that's alignment indicative, although he might should have given some mid-catch up comments.
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:32 am
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Sorry, smashboards term, John was a player who famously made excuses for all their losses so excuses began to be called "Johns" among English speaking players.
But basically I'm asking you why you think it was intended to excuse scummy play before being called out on it, what other possibile reasons it could theoretically hsve, and why you rejected those reasons?
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Ah 'Johns' is a very community specific term I see. But before I address the question, I'll quickly address the speculation behind why I didn't answer it sooner. And that's an easy one, I simply glossed over the post defining the new terminology. EGW's paranoia, and assumption that I was intentionally avoiding it was one of the townier things I've seen from him.
Anyways for starters, when you ask for alternative explanations that I thought of and reasons for dismissing them, the straightforward answer is just that I didn't explicitly sit down and consider other possible explanations before typing my post. Thats just not how I approach solving.
Now I likely did have some unconscious, intuition based calculations going on, and I'll attempt to retroactively deconstruct the thought process.
So here are a couple reasons that I could figure someone would make an excuse preemptively.
1. They are deviating from their natural town playstyle a bit and want to address it first before others bring it up and read it as scummy. This could either be from actual scum or from town.
If town (or just not scum), they maybe do this unintentionally and not realize they're making an excuse. Just typing from the heart and that was what came out. -- I reject this because EGW seems like they're too experienced to not realize what they're saying like that. [ /list]
If Scum, then its to prevent his change in behavior from being used against him later. -- What I originally posit.
2. They are attempting to build trust with other players. By openly acknowledging a deviation from their norm, they demonstrate transparency and a willingness to be held accountable.
If town (or just not scum) they're trying to signal their town status to others. ( This is the most likely reason if they're town)
If Scum, well, I shouldn't have to explain why gaining the trust of town is beneficial for them...
3. They are trying to avoid accountability. The "pre-john" could be a simple way of deflecting future responsibility away from themselves when the threadstate dictates that they shouldn't intervene (think like of situations where town is about to lynch another townsperson)
1 and 3 are wolfy reasons to me and 2 is a 50/50 WIFOM situation. And remember, it was less sophisticated versions of the above arguments that were likely swirling around in my head at the time and influencing me arriving to the conclusions I did. Hopefully, this helps you understand the calculus behind my intuition.
Is there any other relevant possible motivations, even if you discounted them? Make sure you've looked back at the post.
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The other reason I can think of was mentioned after my initial post, and that was when you told me about Marshy suggesting EGW post less as a town. So I can see that as a potential motivation I guess, but it wasn't factored into my original read obviously. It doesn't necessarily diminish my idea either.
Gluelock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:53 pm
Are you asking because you think I'm overlooking something super obvious?
The point is that you are ignoring the simplest conclusion, as I have explained to you already. You are digging for reasons to find me suspicious, rather than come to that conclusion naturally.
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:46 pmYou should vote me instead.
No. Also, I'm curious on your read that's developing on Gluelock.
Ran, even if you are town this game has gone past the level of complexity that you're able to parse. You already think I'm scum, you're better off following my plan to kill me and sheeping my reads when you know I'm town.
If you're scum I'm offering you a free mislynch everyone is looking at your actual me/Seven case like you're a cat and it's a dead mouse you proudly left on the carpet.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:48 pmSo if you're wanting to relieve him of the burden of playing this bullet train game, you can say so.
What do you mean by this? Do you agree with Zen voting for JC here?
I do not agree. I see no reason to vote for him based on what he's posted. The game is moving fast (for an xkcd mafia game, not sure how it compares to your regular site), and I think I remember reading he has a lot on his plate other than this.
Gluelock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:53 pm
Are you asking because you think I'm overlooking something super obvious?
Yep. The provided rationale is that they were trying to pointing out their past play to illustrate Zen.
I wanted to see if you thought about that and rejected it as a read on Zen being an excuse to post something excusing their play OR were just looking for a mechanical excuse to throw them in the scum pile.
This is a simple enough interaction that Ran (EGW) can articulate the problem.
I'm satisfied with Gluelock. Throw Gluelock in the \"scum is in here\" pile. Like EGW and heury they're actually scummy, not merely totally null like Z and JC.
Adum just vote for JC. We aren’t yeeting you day 1 when you’ve been pushing out the most content. It would be more beneficial to resolve my slot if we were going down a route like that.
Seven (she, him, their)
aka Zen, Xivii, Hari Seldon, Ro Laren, Spirit, Khepri
Seven wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:06 pm
Adum just vote for JC. We aren’t yeeting you day 1 when you’ve been pushing out the most content. It would be more beneficial to resolve my slot if we were going down a route like that.
You're wrong (kind of a pattern this game) I'm a liability in Lylo right now and I'm pretty damn sure I've got a gigantic chunk of the town well resolved now. I just need people to cooperate and promise they'll believe me and follow through on my reads when I'm flipped.
I'd rather the EGW wagon anyway as an alternative but I'm fine with killing JC though.
EGW wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:15 pm
What's the reasoning.
Every single push and perspective after the first thing I took issue with I can see the gears turning in their head. They read as the natural conclusions of their scumhunting process mindset.
That includes the Bessie one I directly questioned them on.");
Seven wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:13 pm
Adum you said you are trying not to be mean. Its a good goal that you should continue to strive for
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:05 pm
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Gluelock wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:53 pm
Are you asking because you think I'm overlooking something super obvious?
Yep. The provided rationale is that they were trying to pointing out their past play to illustrate Zen.
I wanted to see if you thought about that and rejected it as a read on Zen being an excuse to post something excusing their play OR were just looking for a mechanical excuse to throw them in the scum pile.
This is a simple enough interaction that Ran (EGW) can articulate the problem.
I'm satisfied with Gluelock. Throw Gluelock in the \"scum is in here\" pile. Like EGW and heury they're actually scummy, not merely totally null like Z and JC.
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Not sure I understand your progression on me but w/e. Maybe you'll provide more depth later.
Also I dont get what you're doing here: "I have the solve, vote me first so you know I'm town and then sheep my reads?"
