Sorcerer's 11 Mafia - xkcd edition - Game Over

[AdumbroDeus]

@AdumbroDeus, please get an avatar. It makes reading the thread a lot easier.

Done, slipped my mind.

Btw, EGW is frozenflame right? I got that vibe, but I don't wanna be making bad assumptions if I'm wrong.

EGW/Evil George Washington is Ranmaru.
Makhaira is FrozenFlame.
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Oh, that changes things. It's not the kind of mistake I'd expect to see from FF, but I could definitely see it from Ran from my playtime since it's a failure of attention to detail.

I'll have to reserve judgement then based on how ran plays now but it looks a lot more likely to be tvt in that case.

Has PJ posted yet?
Haven't seen Maven in a while either...

Somo seemed to simultaneously be aware and not aware that the setup is open (referencing no n0 kills, then moody having insider info) which strikes me as weird.

I find this comment kind of odd after so much discussion took place about it.
How about now? Have your reads remained the same or changed at all? I'd like to see you post what you have in mind so far.

I didn't ping you, but I did talk about that here.
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I think Doop jumping in closed off any possibility of any sort of useful further discussion on the topic, as I said that was literally the only comment that came out of heuristic's joke that have been useful besides suspicion of people over raising suspicion due to an obvious rvs joke. And your comment only raises an eyebrow because it was after RVS and explicitly questions whether heuristic was joking.

So I don't think your later comment really was useful, but I don't have a firm read on what the possible implications (which is why I would've like to see the question answered before Doop jumped in) are so it's more an "I've got my eye on you" than a concrete read.

[Dooplissity]

I'm not townreading you less for not telling me, I'm townreading you less because the earlier interactions we had are hard to bullshit, but you're the kind of player who can do it.

[EGW]

I'm not debating your reasoning for your town read of me, I'm just expressing my mindset especially because Bessie was wondering why I didn't correct Adumbrodeus on it.

[AdumbroDeus]

Mangled those quote tags, sorry. Think everything is still understandable though.

Ebwop

I'm going to put a scum lean on Adum. Don't understand this affection with Somi's understanding of the game roles

Because it was post RVS (literally just ended), explicitly questions whether it was a joke, and the potential scum upside for feigning ignorance is fabricating a case on you if it's a svt interaction.

[AdumbroDeus]

Oh ya, now I REALLY want Makhaira dead after finding out he's FF. Sorry dude, but that post stinks to high heaven coming from a player with that much experience.

[moody7277]

Oh ya, now I REALLY want Makhaira dead after finding out he's FF. Sorry dude, but that post stinks to high heaven coming from a player with that much experience.

EGW's everything makes so much more sense now lol. I townread him less strongly now though. Ran is absolutely capable of fabricating that, if I remember him correctly. I still think it was genuine but I'm less sure of it now.

It's amazing what a difference a little meta makes in reads.

[AdumbroDeus]

Oh ya, now I REALLY want Makhaira dead after finding out he's FF. Sorry dude, but that post stinks to high heaven coming from a player with that much experience.

EGW's everything makes so much more sense now lol. I townread him less strongly now though. Ran is absolutely capable of fabricating that, if I remember him correctly. I still think it was genuine but I'm less sure of it now.

It's amazing what a difference a little meta makes in reads.

Meta is good and useful.

For town this game is about reading people, and for scum it's centrally abiut manipulating people.

Nothing gives you more info for reading people than understanding people's thought process.

Of course, they can try to exploit that.

[Makhaira]

Oh ya, now I REALLY want Makhaira dead after finding out he's FF. Sorry dude, but that post stinks to high heaven coming from a player with that much experience.

Literally what about my post stinks to high heaven and is inexcusable for an experienced player from your perspective?

[Makhaira]

Author order explained in Seven's post here. bessie came up first with being suspicious of heury, and since I always default to her as town, you looked to be glomming on to that goodwill. It turns out that your post I'm citing in this came ~10 hours after hers, but I'm still willing to entertain the possibility that it was an independent idea.

I now understand author order to mean you did separate ISOs of us so you viewed all of our posts in one batch in chronological order but for that author only, and what youre saying is you read her ISO before mine. Is this correct?

Also, why wouldn't you "entertain the possibility that it was an independent idea"?

fred already saying he isnt motivated and wont be doing analysis feels like scummy pre-johning and makes him a lategame liability

fred if you're gonna just coast all game Id say just replace out now or claim so we can just sort your slot early

Cool! FoS Makhaira.

[EGW]

I thought it was obvious? Maybe I’m just used to moody’s dry sense of humor which is like mine. Everyone has an FoS or an IGMEOY right now. I’m in scum hunting mode.

Bessie, I still want to know why you IGMEOY'd me here. You skipped that as a response in your wall.

[AdumbroDeus]

Oh ya, now I REALLY want Makhaira dead after finding out he's FF. Sorry dude, but that post stinks to high heaven coming from a player with that much experience.

Literally what about my post stinks to high heaven and is inexcusable for an experienced player from your perspective?

As already explained, seeing it as scummy pre-johns makes sense BEFORE Freddie's Convo with Bessie in response but they literally asked "what's a FOS" , and your post had no rationale for why it was a noobscum move accounting for their subsequent behavior, keeping in mind you already voted for them over their initial Johns post.

Furthermore, telling them to claim? At this point in the game? Nope. Especially if they can be convinced to replace out if they're not feeling the game.

While I didn't mention it before, "lazy players are a liability in endgame" for an otherwise null slot is only valid when deadline is quickly approaching and a compromise lynch is needed to maximize mathematical odds of getting scum lunches.

Suggesting replacement was the only decent thing about their slot there.

It's conflating anti -town with scummy and combining the responses for both. And I think you know better than that.

[somitomi]

Sorry everyone, today's been an absolute garbage fire and I'm incapable of coherent information processing at the moment, I'll get back to you tomorrow

[heuristically_alone]

I'm not sure how that would = content / word ratio horrifying, or why that would be alignment indicative. That's just me trying to explain why I thought Doop's post seemed like a defense, which I stated was hard to explain.

Then you misunderstand. I said no post had hit that annoying wall post phase this game yet.

[moody7277]

I now understand author order to mean you did separate ISOs of us so you viewed all of our posts in one batch in chronological order but for that author only, and what youre saying is you read her ISO before mine. Is this correct?

Yes, because B comes before M. For your other question, if you're starting from the standpoint that everyone looks townie start of D1, then you would go with the most charitable interpretation and work from there. That's part of the reason I use Cynical View, because he starts from the opposite side and it lets me contrast the two interpretations.

[Prince J]

Hello! Sorry for the extended delay as I'm just a baddie haha~

Hope everyone has been well! I am going to catch up tonight and start going through things, but 140 posts should be quick enough to get through and will have thoughts on things in just a bit.

[bessie]

Ok, where was I?

bessie - foses Fred, confused by somi, doop scoring town points. She is looking like trying to avoid tunnelling D1, which Cynical View says is so against her meta it's tanamount to a scum claim, which I find laughable. +2.5 (prev +3)

You caught me making a conscious effort not to tunnel somitomi on D1 because I do it in every game. And I feel somewhat remorseful about it because I am usually wrong and he is a good player with great insight if he can make it through D1.

@Bessie: I was fine letting others correct Adumbrodeus naturally Bessie. Yet I am more interested with your answer to my previous question thank you.

Yes, of course it was me!

Sorry George I didn’t realize you wanted a follow-up to this post because I thought it was settled. I thought it was obvious moody was casting shade at Dooplissity and somitomi, because it’s the same thing I do, imply something suspicious without saying it straight out to see if there is a reaction. You got an IGMEOY for calling moody out for answering a question that was not directed at him when I didn’t think that was what moody was doing at all. In other words, using a non-reason as an excuse to call someone out.


@Heury, can you make an ordered list? And I don’t agree with your analysis of EGW’s fluffiness. His style may be wordy but the content is there.

Also fuck me, you guys never told me Ran and FF were in this game. EGW's everything makes so much more sense now lol. I townread him less strongly now though. Ran is absolutely capable of fabricating that, if I remember him correctly. I still think it was genuine but I'm less sure of it now.

You need to join us on Discord more often. You would have known they both signed up for the game.


@Makhairia, I FoS’d you because claiming is a scummy suggestion. I am very anti-claiming for the sake of claiming. And very against claiming on D1. Also I DO NOT APPROVE of someone claiming just to avoid being eliminated. When someone suggests claiming (or claims without a good reason) I ALWAYS regard it with the highest suspicion.

I like AdumbroDeus’s response to Makhaira regarding this same post. +1


Back in a bit with my Woof-Grr list.


Ninja’d while I was typing this out by Prince J, good to see you! Deadline is approximately 17 hours from now so anything you can post will be most helpful!

[bessie]

Woof
bessie – Goodest puppy ever.
Dooplissity – He’s pushing people for content which is a super townie thing to do.
moody7277 – Not scummy. This is so anti-meta he must be town.
AdumbroDeus – I like what he has posted.
EGW – I don’t get the solid town vibe I usually get from him, but content is ok.
somitomi – I get a bad vibe but nothing super scummy yet.
heuristically_alone – A little content hiding in a lot of fluff.
Prince J – No content, neutral line.
Maven – No useful content and hasn’t posted since Friday.
Makhaira – Needs to redeem himself for a scummy suggestion.
Freddino18 – Hasn’t responded to this post. Suspicious.
Grr

Vote: Freddino18

[Seven]

Vote Count (1.3)
bessie (2) - Fred, Doop
Fred (2) - Mak, bessie
Somi (1) - Heury
Moody (1) - Maven
Heury (1) - Moody
Mak (1) - Adum

Not Voting (3): PJ, somi, EGW

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

History

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doo > fre
heu > som
egw > moo
moo > heu
mav > doo
fre > bes
adu x sev
mak > adu
doo > adu

mav > moo
mak > fre
doo > bes
egw > doo
adu > mak
egw > unv

bes > fre

[EGW]

This post shows Bessie forcing the appearance of being pro-town, rather than being pro-town. Compare this to Millerizer Mafia, where Bessie was calm yet able to explain her thought process in a genuine manner. Simply read through it, and notice the difference.

Vote: Bessie

[EGW]

forced tone quotes

Everyone has an FoS or an IGMEOY right now. I’m in scum hunting mode.

Cool! FoS Makhaira.

Townie post! +1

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This is obviously not an answer to your question, it’s a moody snipe at Dooplissity and somitomi. IGMEOY.

Bessie giving me an IGMEOY here does not make sense, and seems to be a chainsaw.

George, why didn’t you correct AdumbroDeus? Are you reading his posts? -1

This quote is intentionally painting me in a negative light without first coming to an understanding.

[heuristically_alone]

I don’t agree with your analysis of EGW’s fluffiness. His style may be wordy but the content is there.

I'm a bit perplexed by this response. Did I not also say there was content in that post?

[bessie]

This post shows Bessie forcing the appearance of being pro-town, rather than being pro-town. Compare this to Millerizer Mafia, where Bessie was calm yet able to explain her thought process in a genuine manner. Simply read through it, and notice the difference.

Vote: Bessie

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Not calm? And I have never been able to explain my mafia thought process in a way that everyone follows.

I'm a bit perplexed by this response. Did I not also say there was content in that post?

Yes but the post I quoted seemed to imply that you thought the wordiness was being used as filler.

[Dooplissity]

Hello! Sorry for the extended delay as I'm just a baddie haha~

Hope everyone has been well! I am going to catch up tonight and start going through things, but 140 posts should be quick enough to get through and will have thoughts on things in just a bit.

So, are caught up? Any initial reads?

[Dooplissity]

oh wait hold on I'm an idiot he won't fall for that lmao. the above was me trying to play wolf and signal to him in the hopes he'd catch the crumb and signal back and then we'd nail him.

but the sorc does know the wolves, it's only the other way around that they don't. i've only played this setup two dozen times I can't be expected to know it.

I thought the "I'm just a baddie" might be a sly signal to his wolves he was their sorc - sorc often wants to signal so they don't just die at night, and
usually the best way to do that is something non-relational so when the sorc dies you can't tell who they were signaling.

[Dooplissity]

I''m in agreement with EGW w/r/t bessie. I also don't *hate* Fred as a wagon intrinsically, but bessie and mak both being on it makes me raise an eyebrow.